May I just say......... [Archive] - Merry Forums of My Merry Christmas

Head Elf

01-18-2009, 07:10 PM

Lydia, I agree......

But on a different note.... History is being made this year and that is good... he (like all the other presidents before him) has his hands full from the previous year(s). I hope he makes sound judgements that will affect not only us (U.S.), but the global community. I know in the news he has already backslid on some of his campaign statements..... with over millions of people jobless, homeless, I hope his plan for jobs doesn't entail hiring all those CEO's that are out of jobs also. I have a friend that has her own business, and does she get a helping hand to save her business? I think not! My ex works for Boeing as a programmer will he have a job at the end of the month, he is scared. How will he take care of his young son (not mine, he is 27). He might be homeless and jobless also. I might be safe for another year at the High School I work at, but the year after, I might be jobless. So, I hope a depression doesn't hit and I do hope we can make a comeback financially, not just us, but the world.

Courtney

01-18-2009, 10:30 PM

I am so excited! My 5½ year old daughter and I will be watching. I want her to see, and remember this moment of history. She knows who Mr. Obama is and was with me on Election Day as we proudly chose this man with faith and confidence. I know I will be sitting there with tears and pride. I just hope I have enough Kleenex. :)

Even if some don't agree with Mr. Obama being President, he is still (will be) the Leader of this wonderful country and he deserves respect. I may have my opinions of Mr. Bush and Mr. McCain etc, but I still respect them both.

Maureen

01-19-2009, 12:38 AM

You know, I'm quite shocked. I would've thought that you would be pleased that people from another country are praising the way the celebrations are going and the way most people seem to be giving your new president the benefit of the doubt.

He's elected, get over the disappointment and give this guy your support - he'll need it; it's a h*ll of a job he's taking on. I'm not saying he's any better than the other guy but I'd like to think a gerbil would get your support if that's what the public as a whole elected

You have EVERY reason to be proud - and I'm not just talking about who's president but how it's got to this point

:tree:

SparkleNana

01-19-2009, 05:10 AM

Sunday's Concert At The Lincoln Memorial was a wonderful tribute to the USA and the World coming together to survive and fight the global financial catastrophie which has been developing over the last several years! The final words spoken at the concert - by Beyonce - were "We Are One!"

Bono - the artist and humanitarian spoke: "God Bless America. God Bless The World".

HBO recorded the concert and hopefully will be making it available to be seen around the world.

In the last 8 years, the USA has gone from financial surplus - to the greatest debt imaginable! Yet there were no words of blame and recrimination yesterday. Instead, there was hope that we could all help and protect each other and survive this financial tsunami together.

There are probably no two people on this board - or anywhere in the world - who agree on every single political point. We respect those who disagree with us - we would be so lonely if we only wanted to talk to those who agree completely with us.

Peace to you all.

George Broderick, Jr.

01-19-2009, 07:33 AM

Personally, I'm much more excited about The Steelers going to the Super Bowl..! cheesy

MrsH

01-19-2009, 08:33 AM

I agree that this is an historic innauguration and I hope that it goes a long way to heal some of the racial problems we have in the US. While I didn't vote for President-elect Obama, he was elected President and I will support him and pray for him to do what is right for this Country and the world.

I think that the people who are planning to complain for the next four years should do something with their energy to help the country, not divide it.

I voted for Bush both times and, while he disappointed me and many others, I believe he did what he thought was best for the Country. After all, he is a human being and not perfect. None of us are.

This is one of the great things about our Country: we can express our thoughts, we can put our energies toward making things better.

To our friends across the pond, thank you for being interested and caring about what is happening here in the US. I wish people in the US (including myself at times) would think outside our borders and show more interest in other areas of the world.

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 09:38 AM

Folks - all i can say is i live here in the DC area... I work for Homeland Security...

I cant really comment past - it saddens me on how many things the public does not know or cant understand to the point they would want someone in office with such little experience to protect this country.

The entire country is in my prayers for the next 4 - or God help us "8" years............

Head Elf

01-19-2009, 09:42 AM

I heard you George, loud and clear! History making? The Arizona Cardinals going to the Super Bowl..... now that is history.

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 09:44 AM

Agreed!
I am pulling for Warner - nice to see a strong Christian - make it every now and again - course this is again since he has won it all before with the Rams.
Go Cardinals!

ReineV

01-19-2009, 09:56 AM

It's only history making to me because I and many in my family never thought we'd live to see a day like this. Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised when someone who isn't a minority actually can appreciate the moment, because if you're not, why would you care if a ceiling or wall has been broken down? You've never been judged solely on the basis of your skin color or what sex you are. It's not surprising that some aren't connecting to the moment emotionally because it's not part of their own personal struggle.

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 10:18 AM

I would disagree with that.
I am not trying to be rude... but i went to a middle school, and high school where i was by far the minority. Can't count how many times i had calls of whitey, or pale boy, and other such as - ur white - you wouldn't get it - even got into fights - just because i was white. In college i went to a school that was about even - but the frats etc - continued to separate folks.
Before high school I grew up in an area where the black kids came to hard rock concerts and the white kids went to see rap concerts.... Somehow - we didn't know any better and we liked it that way.
I did not even truly understand racism until i moved to Louisiana... where both sides seem to hate one another.
Was tough on me... i never had really thought about it until then. I am a white guy and until then had dated black and white girls. It was odd to see ppl acting that way.
In high school i had plenty of friend, played many sports, and was accepted once folks got to know me without a problem..... but for those that didn't know me - i was just another white boy - heck the teachers were the same as well..... even better on the sports teams the coaches would always talk about not letting those whiteboy schools come into our house and beat us.... .

Here is my issue - i think the country has been on the right track (track mind you) for years. Heck ppl in this country are mad at other minorities - now. And with that said - putting anyone in the WhiteHouse based on color or sex is just pure ignorance. Don't get me wrong - McCain is NOT the best choice by any means.... but he did have the experience needed to get us out of this funk we are all in and to help protect this country.
I don't give a rats patutie.... what color or sex the person is.... to be Honest i was begging for a Rice (Pres) / Huakabee (VP) ticket... that would have been INCREDIBLE! She would have protected this country and led with a strong hand and smart mind!

Don't take my comments the wrong way.... but if the race for president was not about race... then why is now historical because its about race.... This is AMERICA - plain and simple - there should be NO Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, or any others..... ONLY Americans ... I do not say i am an Irish-Italian-Cherokee-American.... I am simply an American..... I love and appreciate my ancestors and my family's culture.... but in the end - i love this country where i was born - and that makes me just a simple American.

Now here is the hard question people are not asking - Would Rice have won had she run against Obama? Now..... if he won then (since race and sex would not have been an issue) then i think no one could say a word and all would be trying to work together. I do think she would be a much better choice given her experience.... but still.

Once again - this not to demean anyone or try to slam anyone - i just think the country should take a step back and realize these are going to be really really tough years and the person with the most experience should be there protecting us.... it should not be based on anything more than that...

It's only history making to me because I and many in my family never thought we'd live to see a day like this. Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised when someone who isn't a minority actually can appreciate the moment, because if you're not, why would you care if a ceiling or wall has been broken down? You've never been judged solely on the basis of your skin color or what sex you are. It's not surprising that some aren't connecting to the moment emotionally because it's not part of their own personal struggle.

SparkleNana

01-19-2009, 10:33 AM

It's funny -- when we celebrate Christmas in many different ways - we accept it on this board. In fact - we love it. We love it that we do things differently at Christmas - because that makes us richer. Let's try to do that with politics too. Let's be happy for our differences.

Santa's Helper

01-19-2009, 10:38 AM

Agreed!
I am pulling for Warner - nice to see a strong Christian - make it every now and again - course this is again since he has won it all before with the Rams.
Go Cardinals!

Boooooo!!!! On this, we are divided! Go Steelers!

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 11:22 AM

Don't get me wrong - i like the Steelers too.... Yes i am DIE HARD COWBOYS FAN and ma not supposed to.... but i do anywya...
=)

Boooooo!!!! On this, we are divided! Go Steelers!

JOHNOR

01-19-2009, 11:47 AM

i hope we ALL see change for the better now, things were bad, let's hope we are ALL finally on the right track.

Head Elf

01-19-2009, 01:19 PM

Rod, I agree with alot of the things you said.... I didn't for the race ticket. My color is just as red as the next person... the only race is the Kentucky Derby, Indianapolis 500 and so on..... If a person (doesn't matter what color, religion whatever) acts like a human being and respects others and walks and talks his faith, better for him and the rest of us. I am so tired of hearing how race is a part of this.... I believe that Mr. Obama is half white (isn't that a color too?) I don't care if he is purple with pink spots, I have no choice but to give him that chance he deserves. I'm not a blonde, blue eyed individual that fits that cookie cutter mold. I'm proud of my red hair and freckles, and don't think that I didn't get picked on, I did. I didn't fit the mold of typical looking kids. Because of the red hair, I was always told that I was trouble or loud, or opinionated and I was never accepted by my peers. So, don't put the minority card in the mix.

If he can pull us out of the fire that "we" put ourselves in, then bravo for him. Just like any team sport, he is the quarterback or captain of the team.... He is in charge of the team, but if the team loses, he is at fault in most peoples eyes, not the team... But if the team wins, he is the MVP....

I know that people didn't vote the issues in this election, I'm glad more people did vote, but they need to do their homework and not be lead down the garden path by some charismatic talker. That means most politicians. And it those politicians that we voted into office that have abused their power and caused a lot of the problems we now have. Face it, it will never be like the 50's where life is portrayed through rose colored glasses and everything has a rainbow end..... Times have changed, but the corruption still exists from those who talk a good game...
Mr. Obama is now going to get $400k a year, that isn't a lot compared to most athletes, now that is sad.... our leader of our country can't get paid what a top athlete gets paid and he has to deal with more than a decent batting average, or stiking some one out, making it to the dance (world series, super bowl, etc). Why are our congressmen, representatives giving themselves raises when the citizens of this nation get nothing? I agree that the time to change is now and it is history in the making, but let's put it into perspective. Just as with all the other presidents he has 100 days before we start bashing him........ He has his own 100 (year) day war to fight......

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 01:32 PM

I agree with a lot of what you said and like how you said it.
Thanks!

I know i get heated on this subjet - but i am smack dab in the middle of it in DHS and in DC... so i tend to see a lot more of whats going on at times.

I just want the very best for this nation!

Maureen

01-19-2009, 02:08 PM

I didn't intend to get you guys bickering with each other. I merely wanted to say how much I'd enjoyed the celebrations so far and that I was proud of you all.

I'll leave you to it - sorry if I upset anyone

:-?

rodmonster

01-19-2009, 02:13 PM

Unfortunately the celebration is a whole other thing in itself. DC is locked out... bridges closed - all interstates closed... nothing open.. and the cost is high too.. last time it was 45 million - more than any other... this one is estimated at 150 million so far....

The public needs help not parties - Need to get in there and help people save money - not spend it on every singer and actor that feels their voice and face should heard and seen.

This is work - not play time......

Sorry,..... i should just stop replying... i will try not to anymore - don't need anyone upset.....

trackrebel

01-19-2009, 02:59 PM

the people are celebrating....I can´t see nothing bad about it....sure...money could be donated or people could be fed....but people are happy and full of hope...that´s a good thing to me....

I agree with what ReineV said.....I´m not black...or any minority in Germany....but I live with a black man and I have his child...the way people look at You is different sometimes....I can sense some of the hate some people have through that....but not even close to what it is for my boyfriend in Germany....or turkish guys in Germany....or blacks and indians in the US for examples.....

Rod You gotten troubles for being white and I am sorry about that...I hate racism...no matter from which side it comes....but the thing is....people had to fight predjudice for all their lifes....and for generations....40-years of equal rights (officially...not practised even since 40 years)....doesn´t take away the struggle...and the pain...blacks have received ever since they came in the country....and struggle ain´t even over.....It´s the same over here....People who say...."Race doesn´t matter"....hasn´t been in the shoes of people who live it everyday....they don´t get the looks....they don´t get the "no" on apartments or job interviews...and not because they are unqualified...but because they are black.......I see it over here in Germany, too...anyway

would I celebrate that Obama is the president-elect...just because he is black....or halfcast (that´s how my boyfriend calls people of mixed heritage...so if it´s an offending word...I don´t mean it...because my fiance has taught it to me...).....NEVER......I think...Obama is the right man for now...he has the right ideas....will he archive everything? surely not....it´s impossible...will he be a good leader? I´m 100% positive.

So God bless Barrack Obama and his family....and the country he will reign for hopefully the next 8 years (of course only if he does a good job)...and I pray he will be a great leader for the States...because that will help all of us....since I mentioned....most every decision the US makes....it affects the whole world....so

God bless Barrack O. and all of You guys in the US...and us fellas in the rest of the world as well

SparkleNana

01-19-2009, 05:14 PM

I think we are reaching the point of polite and considerate dialogue here at MMC - on the touchy issue of politics. And we ALL benefit from that.

I heard something on CNN today - that made me feel better. Rod - I hope it makes you feel better too. (Because I know that you do care deeply - and work passionately - for the safety of the USA>)

The news item said that Obama and John McCain had been working closely together - since the election - on security issues. That Obama had hired people that McCain had recommended in the area of national security. And that when Obama had been "vetting" people for top level appointments, he had sent their answers to his questions to Senator McCain - and then discussed the candidates with Senator McCain.

You may know that tonight, Obama is giving a large banquet/celebration "honoring John McCain". And that he hopes this will become a tradition with the two chief candidates in the future.

You probably also know that a few nights ago, Obama went to a private "off the record" dinner at the house of George Will. George Will has been one of the top "conservative" thinkers for decades. And George Will selected other - extremely outstanding conservative thinkers - to meet together for hours - alone, with Obama - and discuss issues with him.

You also know that Hillary Clinton is MUCH more conservative than Obama. Yet he has given her what is perhaps the second most important cabinet post. And he has promised her private - one-on-one - access to him. And Obama has allowed Hillary Clinton to assemble her own team of top advisors at the State Department - people representing the background and experience she feels that she needs for this job.

Obama has also kept Gates on in his critically important job - keeping continuity from the past administration in that area.

The Bush Administration has worked very hard WITH the incoming Obama people - to share knowledge.

You probably know that Senator Lindsay graham - Republican of the Senate Armed Forces Committee for a long time - AND chief advisor to McCain on security issues - has become a close friend and advisor of Rohn Emanuel and Obama. (Graham and Emanuel were the negotiators setting up the three McCain-Obama debates) - and they grew to respect each other deeply during that time. And have continued to work together.

When I hear that the Obama administration is working constructively with experienced, conservative Americans who have background in these critical areas - it makes me reassured. There is criticism on the far left that Obama is too open to the ideas of conservative Americans. That is their own opinion and they have every right to it. And I will not criticize them for having an opinion different than mine,

But -we want the best ideas from everyone - for the benefit of the USA and for the world! And if we can talk calmly - and respect differences - I think we can give the best ideas a chance to come forward.

Head Elf

01-19-2009, 05:31 PM

This brings to mind another famous leader of a country...... lets see if everyone remembers this quote from their History lessons:

"Let them eat cake"

Parties are nice, but not when they are costing millions when there are so many people out jobs and/or homeless. I admit that I thought the train (whistlestop) ride was a nice touch. A much beter way to "touch" the people. But like Rod said, do we really need to spend another $150 million on a party for the "people".

It's not that we are bickering..... we are a group of people that love to agree to disagree and in the United States that is our right..... no harm,now foul.....

I've heard all the political spins on Mr. Obama.. he is the Senator from my home state and I respect the man for what he has accomplished, even with all the poisonous things spread about him. If he can succeed to bring the country under control without the normal crap.... I'll respect him more, but it doesn't mean that I will vote for him if he runs again..... Here in AZ, we have complete police departments laid off and a local fire department that does not exist anymore because of a million dollar accounting error.... How does that happen? What are those citizens going to do if a fire starts, houses burn down.... Will the government be there for them?

Maebeary

01-19-2009, 06:45 PM

I'm looking forward to change. I pray that he's a good leader and that nothing happens to him. I won't watch all of the going's on...but will likely watch the inauguration. These are definitely exciting times.

kerst

01-20-2009, 03:25 AM

Hey everybody ! TODAY IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING, whether you like it or not. I have been watching and following everything closely and I'm very very excited. I loved the train ride and the concert and will be glued to the screen today like most of the rest of the world. And yes, these events cost money but small businesses in DC will benefit from all the tourists. Every single hotel room is booked and food and drinks will sell like crazy. Fourth of July fireworks cost lots of money too and I have never heard anybody complain about those expenses !!

I hope Obama gets all the support he needs from every single American and not just from those who voted for him. HE IS GOING TO NEED IT. You can't blame Obama for the crisis we're in today and you can not expect him to clean up the mess within 100 days, not even in the first term. But if you all stick together and give the man a chance you might just see some CHANGE for the better.

He is going to make mistakes, he said so himself. And he will have to learn from his mistakes but he is willing to accept help from other people with more experience and knowledge than him and that is the most important step to start picking up the pieces. He is not too proud or with his head too far in the clouds to admit it will be tough and he'll need lots of help.

Don't waste your energy blaming him for other people's mistakes. HELP HIM GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK. Help make the world a better place !

Before you start throwing stones at the poor man enjoy today's festivities !

Head Elf

01-20-2009, 06:45 AM

Kerst, you are correct in so many ways, but that party center is D.C. not the small little towns all across the country that need help as well. I think he is going to do his best, that's all he can do.... as I said before I respect him and the job he has to do. As a former Marine, he is my Commander in Chief and I respect that....... It's not going to be easy for him, take a good look at him now and in the the next couple of years and see the change that wear, tear and stress will put on him..... you made the statement help your country.... that is what most of us that can help are doing....I don't blame Mr. Obama, I worry for him and his family, just like I worry about my next door neighbor who is like family to me.... But I don't appreciate that the media keeps putting a color on the history making. The man is half-white, but if we took that type of spin then we would be racist..... But because he is half-black then it's history making.... When ever someone gets chosen to be president, it's history making..... Again, my same question, why is he getting paid so little to run a business like the United States when CEO's that only work 3 months get paid millions of dollors and then get fired. Why is it that athletes are getting paid more than the head of our country..... THE BEST IN THE WORLD! Other than that, all is good, it's a new day and everyone here still loves Christmas and the other family members...... Enjoy the festivities today!

Maureen

01-20-2009, 07:08 AM

. Why is it that athletes are getting paid more than the head of our country..... THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!

Let's not start down that route again.........!!!!

MrsH

01-20-2009, 07:40 AM

LOL...Maureen, you are the best!!!

novelist

01-20-2009, 08:00 AM

:snowball:I'm really excited about the change in command, and have been looking forward to this day since election day. It is so exciting watching everything taking place. I think Pres. Obama is going to bring this country together. I also think for the first time in a long time, there is hope for this country.

ReineV

01-20-2009, 08:02 AM

But I don't appreciate that the media keeps putting a color on the history making. The man is half-white, but if we took that type of spin then we would be racist..... But because he is half-black then it's history making....

Yes, it is history in the making because just 50 years ago, if he lived in a southern state and tried to go vote, he would have literally risked his life. Countless were lynched, brutalized and intimidated out of voting. If he lived in this country just 150 years ago, he would have been a slave. It's history in the making because it's a tribute to how far this country has come. It's history in the making because now, as we look at all the faces of the presidents that have come before him, he looks kinda different. With all the issues this country has had with race, from slavery to internment camps of the Japanese, to the civil rights movement that my mother witnessed and participated in...it's history. I'm not all black, but to everyone else who looks at me, including other people of color, I'm black because that's what I look like and unfortunately, that's what I'm judged on. It is a big deal to people like my uncle who had to run away from police dogs during a march or a sit in. Back then, when they couldn't even use the same water fountains or front entrances, they had no idea the country would come so far, so fast. Luckily, we do live in America and people can look beyond race and rise above challenges to come together as a people. I didn't vote for the man because he shares my skin color, I happen to be a democrat and have been a member of the YDA since '03, it's just in my blood. If you just try looking through the eyes of someone who has lived through being treated as a second class citizen in their own country. A black soldier who served his country in Vietnam only to come back and not be allowed to even use the same restroom as his fellow soldiers in the train station. I guarantee you, if you saw the situation through their eyes, regardless of your political beliefs, you'd probably believe this has some historical significance.

kerst

01-20-2009, 08:03 AM

The fuss about his race will die down tomorrow when he actually starts his presidency.

Him being a mixture is exactly perfect. He is both black and white so you should all be happy !! But let the african-american community celebrate this victory today and if the media jumps on this train it only gives more credit to the afro-american community and they deserve that after all they have been through. Amen ! And God bless the whole wide world !

Mumof2

01-20-2009, 09:40 AM

Im so proud of this moment I got the tv on and watching with a bursting heart,tears in my eyes.It's amazing what can happen over time.be proud all,no matter what your skin color is.Im glad my lil cousins can turn on the TV and see a man,who looks like them,White & Black and know ANYONE can be what they wanna be.

Maureen

01-20-2009, 09:41 AM

So have I and I'm not even American!!!!

trackrebel

01-20-2009, 12:23 PM

I´ve been watching it with my mother and daughter (my fiance was still at work).....I got goose pimps and teary eyes...It´s a truly special moment for the US....especially minorities in the US...and especially blacks of course...but it´s also a special moment for all of us....Germans, British, Kenyans, Cameroonians...African´s in general...Australians...no matter what country You name....We are all in support of Barrack Obama and are full of hope and goodwill for the man and his country.

again....thank You for voting Mr. Obama.

Annette1990

01-20-2009, 12:46 PM

I watched his speech for a bit this morning. I agree he has alot on his shoulders but I have faith in him. cheesy

trackrebel

01-20-2009, 01:04 PM

oh boy....Ted Kennedy collapsed during the inauguration luncheon....they say he´s had seizures....another guy called Byrd collapsed, too....I will pray for both of them

Mumof2

01-20-2009, 01:11 PM

oh no.really? I hope their ok..poor Teddy.

trackrebel

01-20-2009, 01:22 PM

Yes, it´s true...nobody knows what happened yet...he´s been taken to the hospital....both of them....but I guess Teddy´s health is more at risk...with the brain tumor and everything

Mumof2

01-20-2009, 01:42 PM

Wow,when he walked out to sit today he looked great,everyone was talking about him and how he was a fighter.yikes

Santa's Helper

01-20-2009, 02:34 PM

oh boy....Ted Kennedy collapsed during the inauguration luncheon....they say he´s had seizures....another guy called Byrd collapsed, too....I will pray for both of them

I heard on CNN that Byrd was ok and that it was just some confusion surrounding the moment and that it was just Kennedy that was taken out due to a seizure. The update that I heard was that Kennedy was talking some at the hospital now.

rodmonster

01-20-2009, 02:49 PM

I appreciate many of the PMs i received ..... but i am going to make this my last post here...
I think there is too many misconceptions and miscommunication here and i do not want to make anyone else here angry or upset....

Trust me... i more than anyone (working for DHS) hopes he finds a way to succeed ..... but it has nothing to do with his race or gender... nothing....

The misconception that all us Republicans are bad, money hungry, power driven war mongers also bothers me..... I work for the government.... so i get paid squat.... I can leave any day and go to the private industry and make twice what i make now...thats not why i do it. I have nearly 175 thousand dollars in school debt for my wife and my 6 degrees between the two of us, i have a house that has lost 20 percent of its value and i couldn't sell now to save my life and my payments in a few months will almost double...... so i have no crazy money and i DO NOT want a hand out. I made those decisions ..... poor ones or not and i as a red bloodied responsible American must work them out.... not wait on a savior to bail me out....

This magic change could have come from ANYONE. It could be from a man / woman, black / white, Democrat / Republican. Its not like the Democrats have the upside on wanting change and better things for this country.... why do you think republicans are so hard on military ...... they want to protect you and your families at any and every cost.....

I used this earlier on Facebook.....

But - do not confuse those that do not agree with policy as a racist act. Make sure you understand many people could care less of color / sex / etc.... but are very concerned on how the job is done and who it will affect.
Many people’s comments are being taken out of context and being placed in a swirl of racist inaccuracy..... I work with many black colleagues that do not support Mr. Obama's views…. And they are not considered racist in thought, but when a white person says something in the same respect….they are…..
Just please remember we are all entitled to our own beliefs and this does not make us racist……

joyful

01-20-2009, 04:52 PM

I had no desire to watch today. It truly is a sad day for me and my family.

Once again I will be turning off the tv or keeping the remote in hand to quickly change channels. I do not look forward to higher taxes. Before today, the tone and words have started to change from the promises made because it's easy to say we should do this and that but when you are presented with the facts as he was when he finally got on the inside, he knew his words have to be altered. There will be even more throat clearing and ummmm hesitations in his speeches.

Big bucks were spent today and nothing was said about it but boy they sure belly ached about what was spent on Bush's swearing in day. The media is so left wing it's really sad. We will see an America that is run by Hollywood and celebrities who have no clue.

Do we have the smoothest change of power? Yes we do and I sincerely hope it continues for generations to come.

Truly a sad day.

Mumof2

01-20-2009, 05:44 PM

I heard on CNN that Byrd was ok and that it was just some confusion surrounding the moment and that it was just Kennedy that was taken out due to a seizure. The update that I heard was that Kennedy was talking some at the hospital now.

Oh,thats really good to be talking so soon after a seizure.

Head Elf

01-20-2009, 06:27 PM

As with Rod, this will also be my last post on this thread..... I did not watch the swearing in of our new President..... But then again, I haven't watched any from Kennedy..... I hope Mr. Obama does well, but I also know that it isn't just his plate that is full.... mine is too! He just has to handle the WHOLE country and hold them on his broad shoulders... Good luck Mr. President.

Rod you made some good points and I will leave it at that.....

Good night, Gracie!

AuntieMistletoeDear

01-20-2009, 07:55 PM

The printed word is sometimes difficult to read. I have never posted in any of the threads regarding the election because I don't want Religion or Politics to divide us as a community of people from all over the world who share a special theme in common.

The theme of Christmas. I'm pleased that you were able to share your opinions and hope it won't change your visits here.

I look forward to seeing posts from each and everyone of you when I visit. I hope that you can respect each other's differences of opinions enough to encounter the same joy I experience when I arrive and see "whose on-line with me" or who has visited the forum today (whether or not they felt they had something to share).

Now, I'm about to break my own rule of not jumping into the political posts.

When the campaign was underway, I honestly didn't think that the people of the United States of America had evolved enough to elect either a black man or a woman as their leader.

My city has changed over the years. When I was younger, I remember seeing prejudice attitudes toward the First Nations, Metis, and there was a battle among the English and French speaking people. We have grown out of most of that so I hoped that whomever the voters chose to lead their Country would not be limited to the colour of their skin or their gender.

Still, the point can be made as Rod put it, that people don't always vote for the other guy because they don't want a "black leader" or a "woman" to run things, sometimes it's due to a belief around the issues. I might not have agreed with the alternative, but the point remains true.

The media has turned this event into one that focuses on the "first black President". I was able to watch the "swearing in" and the "speech" when I was home for lunch, but had to return to work. I had the radio on trying to hear what I could and then when I got home at dinner, I watched a bit more. I noticed that (at least from the interviews I saw) on four different channels that the people being interviewed as witness to the Inauguration were all black (I don't mean that in a bad way). I think it would have been nice to hear the opinions of other witnesses. Surely, if they travelled all that way and spent money to get there, they also had something to share with the media. Pres. Obama talked about all people working together and included all minorities and all people in his speech. The media likes to take a story and run with it; I understand it's not his fault who the media decided to interview.

Reine, I also understand the significance and can appreciate the suffering because I care.

I don't know what this says about me ... I have always paid attention somewhat to the elections going on in the U.S., but this is only the second time I have watched the Inauguration of a President.

I agree with Maureen that the process should be applauded.

I think today, President Obama was a black man who became President, I'm hoping that in the days that follow he will be known as a President who happens to be black. It's not about colour, it's about getting the job done! I hope he pulls it off!

Good night, sleep tight!

And don't forget to THINK CHRISTMAS!

Regards,
Auntie M.

trackrebel

01-21-2009, 01:52 AM

He will be a president who just happens to be black later on...but for now...that´s very special...it will always be...but not in the forefront as it is now.

I for myself don´t think all Republicans are bad (I was too lazy to type in the words that Rod wrote...:) )....I actually thought both option.....John McCain...and especially Barrack Obama were better choices that the ones four years ago....I`m not going into depth about George Bush now....

About the taxes....I know here in Germany...we are Taxes Wonderland....we pay taxes for everything....but we are living quite a good life still.....health insurance for everyone....still pension for everyone that stops working (but due to not enough young people...and too many old...this system is to be renewed somehow)....When You don´t find a job You get a good help from the country......all thru tax money.......Now I´m not working...because of my daughter...but when I was....I never had a problem with paying those taxes, because it enables health insurances....it makes help for less fortunate possible...and to me...that´s a great thing and system.....Do I sometimes complain about taxes? Sure I do...but deep inside...I think it´s a good thing.....besides the dog tax (it is what You think it is...we have to pay taxes for having a dog)...which prevents me from having one.....but besides that....it´s good.....

and I doubt the States will have more different taxes than Germany after that...so I wouldn´t worry about that too much...and that comes from a woman who pretty much struggles with everything concerning money.

I think he will do a good job....I understand some of the concerns...but don´t think Obama is even close to being a Marxist.....to me that´s just spin control....He´s not.....Socialists want that all personal ownings belong to the state...and noone will be really rich.....everybody has what´s needed....but nobody can have anything for them....I have a friend who lived in the GDR....he can tell You something bout Socialism and Communism......now I´m not saying any of You said that...lol....it´s just something that always comes up all the time when You hear people who haven´t voted for him...

anyway....Barrack is Mr. President now....and after George Bush....it was pretty much a given that no Republican politician would become president for now.....because of the politics and the economy (which is not only his fault but the faults of many before him)....

RadioJonD

01-21-2009, 09:04 AM

http://tinyurl.com/9sqsm7

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Jeff Westover

01-21-2009, 10:26 AM

I have been away and unable to post recently -- or else I would have joined in this thread earlier. While I get PMs all the time asking me to delete political threads (and taking me to task for my own views), I believe it is healthy and necessary for us to have this dialogue.

I watched yesterday's events with great enthusiasm. I have always enjoyed inauguration day. I am, at heart, a fan of history.

I didn't vote for Obama and still cannot "support" him.

But he is my president now and the significance of his election wasn't lost on me. We watched it all and I made my kids watch it too. They need to know how it all works. For one day, I think, we can come together and celebrate what makes this all possible. We'll never be united in thought but we can be united in celebrating our system and how it works.

That being said, this had to be the most BIZARRE inauguration I've ever seen in my entire life.

From Senator Feinstein calling it the "oaf of office" to that bizarre poetry of Elizabeth Alexander, it just got more and more weird as things went along.

President Obama's speech was disappointing to me. I expected more. I usually really enjoy the broad statements of inaugural speeches because they tend to be more patriotic than political. I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican but I usually have enjoyed Democrat inaugural speeches more, on average. My fav has to Kennedy. But President Obama, for all his talent in making a speech, just fell flat to me with this one. Sometimes I couldn't tell what he was talking about. I know the expectations were high.

The one thing that got me was Reverend Lowery. I found it curious that a man who started a prayer with a quote from the Black National Anthem would ask God to encourage America to make “choices on the side of love, not hate, on the side of inclusion not exclusion, tolerance not intolerance” and then end his prayer as he did. He said:

“Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around – when yellow will be mellow – when the red man can get ahead, man – and when white will embrace what is right.”

I am, frankly, sick to death of having racism thrown in my face. It ruins events like this and divides us in ways we do not need to be divided.

Obama's the point man now on race. He needs to start speaking to the individuals like Reverend Lowery who keep saying things like this. That was no way to celebrate the election of an African American as President.

It was, simply, a knife in the heart of the very white folks who put Obama in office. Yes, a lot of African Americans and other minorities voted for him. But it was the white vote that put Obama in office and THAT needs to be acknowledged by someone, somewhere.

Racism is a two-way street. And it is time for the other side to grow up.

The slate is clean, for me -- today -- with Obama. I don't like what he has said and I don't feel much hope considering the people he has chosen to surround himself with. But the proof in the pudding will be what he does and how he does it.

He has an extraordinary opportunity and we may well witness profound history with this individual if he embraces the moment as if everything has that kind of magnitude. But I don't worry about him more than I did with Reagan or Carter or (especailly) Clinton.

In other words, he's got an open mind from me. Let's see where he takes it.

Wenceslaus

01-21-2009, 10:33 AM

Mr Walker

01-21-2009, 10:36 AM

when brown can stick around – when yellow will be mellow – when the red man can get ahead, man

LMAO!
That's some funny stuff.

JanaBanana

01-21-2009, 11:11 AM

originally posted by Jeff Westover
Racism is a two-way street. And it is time for the other side to grow up.
yep

trackrebel

01-21-2009, 11:36 AM

kinda hard when the side that started all of this is still racist, too....it´s a two way street...and I hate it myself as well....but it´s a given thing it was mentioned on Tuesday.....It´s like the holocaust in Germany....I have nothing to do with it...so doesn´t my mother or father...we never did anything wrong....but it will always be a subject in Germany....and so will be slavery, segregation and lynching of black people in America.....as i wrote before....segregation only stopped officially around 40 years ago.....not technically tho in many areas.....just like the hate didn´t just stop in Germany when the war was lost.....I don´t see how blacks or indians...or japanese should stop to speak about this....just because most of it is not like that no more now....these actions taken against them for hundreds of years (afro - americans and indians) will always be in the minds....in all generations that have past...and all the generations that will come....most is not racism....just remembrance.......I know how that feels....I hear comments on the internet about how bad Germans are all the time....well....we have thank our ancestors and especially their leaders for that.....and not blame the people who still suffer emotionally from it.....

that said....I hate racism myself...no matter from which site it comes....but never found the words of this preacher racist...not even a second...and I don´t think the whites who votes for Obama found it racist either.....if some did....I´m sure it was not the intention

Jeff Westover

01-21-2009, 11:40 AM

If Rick Warren, in his invocation at the inauguration, said something akin to "Please, God, let African Americans do what is right" there would be all out hell to pay.

trackrebel

01-21-2009, 11:46 AM

I don´t konw about that....if it was....it wouldn´t be right....but the point is...there is a reason for it....and that reason can never be argued because all of this s+++ happened....so it will always be a very sensitive subject......

btw....I just wanted to say...that I love this board and its people....even the republicans (....:D....just kidding).....I think it´s good we can discuss this topic without becoming to emotional....or hurtfull to each other...and that´s good that way

Jeff Westover

01-21-2009, 11:55 AM

I'm not suggesting that our past should ever be forgotten. I'm just asking at what point do we move forward? I'm getting sick and tired of being accused of racism I don't practice.

trackrebel

01-21-2009, 11:59 AM

I know how You feel....that´s how I feel over here....Holocaust was terrible....but it´s over now....and more than 60 years over....but the thing is....and I have just accepted it....it will never stop to be brought up....and to some extend it´s good that way....because if we forget....things might happen again.......And since You don´t practise racism...You were not meant when something like that is mentioned.....that´s how I do it, too....

sgrover

01-21-2009, 01:04 PM

Wow, this has been some interesting reading, I think I've learned more on here than from any of the networks in the last year!

As a lifelong Republican, I didn't vote for our current President, but I do believe in supporting the office, and I truly hope he is able to do for this country what he says he wants to. I have to believe that he must have the best of intentions for the country, and will work to turn things around. Will it be overnight, of course not, this has been years in the making, it's going to take years to turn things around. And it's not just 1 man/person, it's so many working together, and unfortunatley, against us. There's many outside factors. I'm sure Bush never dreamed of what he would have to deal with when he ran for office. Sept 11 truly changed everything, and he had to deal with it the way his heart told him, it was totally unchartered territory, and he did keep this country free from attacks for almost 8 years, I hope the next 8 are the same.

The whole race things, man, I wish it would go away. I see both sides of it, and know it's going to be around forever, but in a perfect world... Anyway, for me race had nothing to do with it, if an African American man (or woman) had been running as a Replublican, they would have had my vote - same for an Asian, or Hispanic. But it wouldn't have been because of their skin color, it would have been their politics. Is that why everyone voted for Obama? I wish I could say that, but I know several people personally who voted for him, "Because I want to be able to tell my grandchildren I voted for the first black president." Now there's a good reason to vote! OMG. That aside, as I said before, I still have to believe that he has the best interest of the country at heart, and will do what needs to be done.

I still believe that ultimately, God is in control, and He will work His will through anyone we mere humans put in place.

God Bless America, God Bless the rest of the world!

Mr Walker

01-21-2009, 03:47 PM

I would like to thank all the television reporters and anchors who told us every three minutes or so that this was a "historic" election, and that Barack Obama was the first African-American U.S. president. Without those constant reminders, we wouldn't have known that.

Nothin' for nothin', but he's just as much white as he is black. Wouldn't the media be more accurate in calling him the first bi-racial U.S. president since the honor of being called the '44th President of the United States' doesn't seem to be enough.

Mr Walker

01-21-2009, 03:55 PM

I'd like to see the guy succeed as much as the next guy/gal. He does seem to be full of alot of youthful vim and vigor... but I'll be ****ed if I can't seem to put my faith into a guy who is supported by Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.

And oh yeah, another thing... correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey the prototypes of the Antichrist and False Prophet?

Head Elf

01-21-2009, 05:18 PM

ok, I don't know where that came from, but to each his own.... I like the idea of bi-racial, that is a good term. Even Mr. Obama stated that he was a "mutt" or a heinz 57 and that was what his girls were going to get as a pet, a mutt. But enough about color, enough about race.... let the mad do his job as the leader of our country. He is going to make mistakes, he is human after all. But he will also have some successes. Take a good look at the man now, full of vim and vigor. Look at him in two years and see the the changes on his face. Stress is going to do that to him, because he has a nation of people that can't get past black/white.

TrackRebel, I don't think Germans are bad, they are a great people. What happened in history is what is marking Europe as a whole. But it is said that people forget history. There are places that think that the Holocaust didn't actually happen..... we can never forget or shouldn't.... People will say that Viet Nam (the War, conflict, etc) never happened.... History needs to be reaffirmed every now and then. Just as slavery is a mark ( I almost said black mark) that can never be avoided, it HAPPENED! Let's get over it.... I believe that Mr. Obama can actually say that he is truly an AFRICAN-AMERICAN (both his parents were from each country). I was raised in the North and North East, we didn't own slaves.... in fact as Irish Americans we were slaves or servents..... if I wanted to propagate another hate for intolerance I could say I hate Native Americans because they killed some of my ancestors.... But then I would have to hate myself because I am a small percentage of Native American. The best thing I can say is that I am a HUMAN being and I bleed red like all of the rest of the human beings. If you act like a human then you get the respect of a human being, if you act like I owe you something, you get nothing.,,..

MerryChristmasLydio

01-21-2009, 07:26 PM

Courtney

01-21-2009, 11:57 PM

I have never been rude or disrespectful to ANYONE here, so your rant and calling me out on abortion of all things was uncalled for.

I have done my research and I am educated on President Obama and I support and respect him. I have my opinions and I didn't ask or tell you to agree with me or him. I suggested "respect" for him from anyone/everyone. I am an educated adult female and I don't need a lecture. Thank you.

If I have unintentionally offended anyone for anything, I sincerely apologize.

I don't know if or when I will be back here. I feel hurt and disrespected, something I NEVER expected from anyone here.

Good Luck everyone, I wish you well. ):

Maureen

01-22-2009, 03:41 AM

Okay, enough is enough. I started this thread as an applause to how you approached the inauguration. It has since spiralled down ending up disrespecting others with personal attacks and a pro-life rant.

I personally feel that was out of order, had NOTHING to do with the original message of the thread and I'm quite ashamed that people have stooped to that level.

I'm leaving this thread with far less of an opinion than I originally started with

:-?

HolidayHoney

01-22-2009, 05:41 AM

Courtney, there was nothing rude or disrespectful in your original post and you have nothing to apologize for. You have to right to express your opinion without fear of being attacked.
And I am not for abortion, so don't even try to pull that **it on me like you did on Courtney.

Her post was happy and hopeful, not disrespectful.

I have never been rude or disrespectful to ANYONE here, so your rant and calling me out on abortion of all things was uncalled for.

I have done my research and I am educated on President Obama and I support and respect him. I have my opinions and I didn't ask or tell you to agree with me or him. I suggested "respect" for him from anyone/everyone. I am an educated adult female and I don't need a lecture. Thank you.

If I have unintentionally offended anyone for anything, I sincerely apologize.

I don't know if or when I will be back here. I feel hurt and disrespected, something I NEVER expected from anyone here.

Good Luck everyone, I wish you well. ):

trackrebel

01-22-2009, 05:55 AM

Nothin' for nothin', but he's just as much white as he is black. Wouldn't the media be more accurate in calling him the first bi-racial U.S. president since the honor of being called the '44th President of the United States' doesn't seem to be enough.

of course he is bi-racial...just as my daughter is....but both would have been been sklaves....they would have had to leave the sidewalk if a white person came along and all those things...nobody would have cared wether or not he has some white blood in him or not.....When people see him...what they see at first is a black person....people usually don´t think....oh biracial at first

trackrebel

01-22-2009, 05:58 AM

I just read the above comment towards Coutrney...and wonder where that came from...I am shocked about this as well....and hope Courtney will come back.....geeez

Head Elf

01-22-2009, 06:45 AM

I don't understand where this came from either... Courtney has a point about the respect issue.... You don't have to like the person, but if he has a title, you have to respect that title. Courtney, I hope you come back to us soon......

Maureen, this thread was not intended to bash anyone, especially our fellow members (family) or Mr. Obama. I know that it was intended to applaud what is happening in our country as well as the world. It is a good thread and it brought out some good discussion.... everyone has their point of view and somehow each took a piece of their oppion and foisted it upon everyone (me included). I hope my statements didn't hurt anyone or disrespect anyone.... If I did, then I apologize for being harsh and inconsiderate.

elfworks

01-22-2009, 06:51 AM

what a shame. i swore i wouldnt post on this thread, let alone read the dam ned thing, but, now i have read it and now i am posting and maureen, i appreciate your original sentiment and i know it is a sentiment shared the world over and i thank you for it. however, you should have known that this lovely sentiment would deteriorate into hate and a giant pile of bs. and if my say counts for anything, lydio should have her intolerant patootie kicked so far off this bb she couldnt find her way back with the help of a star and a bunch of wise men.

ReineV

01-22-2009, 07:25 AM

Race/racism will always be seen differently by both sides because it's experienced differently by both sides. Opinions will always be different. The only thing that we have to remember is to respect each other's opinions and remember that when it comes to something as multifaceted as race or politics, it's still what we believe, not necessarily what is right. I know that what I believe is what I believe. I feel that what I believe is what works best for me because of my background and how I was raised. Someone else who doesn't have my background or life's experiences will probably believe something different because that's the path their life took them down. I am passionate about certain issues, but there's no need to insult or demean anyone who believes something different. It's not all cut and dry. There are many sides to every political belief...from pro life to pro choice, from pro war to peace lovers, you can't define any belief in one sentence. There's almost always a reall good explanation behind why someone believes what they believe. We just have to choose to open our minds and turn off the tunnel vision.

Santa's Helper

01-22-2009, 08:07 AM

I knew this would turn ugly. It always does when it comes to politics and that's why I stay out of it (well except for now!) hee,hee! Sorry. Anyway, when people start to state their opinions there is always going to be someone else who believes otherwise. I don't agree with everything that people have said in this thread whether they are for Obama or not but, that's the way it goes. Not everybody will agree, it's impossible. There are times where someone will think something and I'll think how can they think that way and I'm sure that there are people who feel that way about things that I believe. It's gonna happen. Problem is that without knowing each other personally it makes it difficult to know what a person is like, how they are as a person or what all of their beliefs are. When things are typed they can be taken out of context because you don't know the tone of that person and how they intended what they wrote to mean. Sometimes what is written is just what it comes across as on paper (or in this case on the boards) and sometimes it's taken totally the wrong way from what the poster really meant to say. It's hard to have a conversation with a bunch of people that we only know through a screen name and possibly a few pictures in an online album and fully know who that person is and how they live their lives. The one thing that brought us all together is our love of Christmas! There are people that I am friends with who don't love Christmas the way that I do and while I get mad that they will try to hush me when I get excited about Christmas it's not enough for me to be rude to them. I know that there is more to them as a person than just someone who hates or atleast is not that fond of Christmas. There are people I know who supported Obama and there are people I know who supported McCain and that's ok. It can be difficult to understand why they support somebody that I don't at times but, I have to look past my own feelings and try to understand where they are coming from. There are people who only vote 1 way or another simply because they are either a dem or a republican and that's they way they vote no matter what the issues are. There are people who only voted for Obama because he is black and there are people who didn't vote for him because he is black. Those people make me mad because to me that is irresponsible voting. If you are going to vote for someone do it because you have researched them and their issues and the other person running as well and have made an informed decision. Don't vote one way or the other based on 1 thing and 1 thing only. I try to stay away from these threads because of the heated discussions that always get out of hand. I knew that this would go off the deep end at some point even though it was started with the best of intentions. It's just not possible to talk about politics or religion without it getting nasty from time to time. In order to keep this a nice board there needs to be respect for others feelings and beliefs. If you don't agree then you don't agree. There's nothing written that you have to agree with everyone on here but, there should be able to be discussions that don't drive people off of the boards. I'm sure I'll catch heat for my post as well but, hey that's life! There can be discussions and we can disagree but, let's keep in mind that we all have opinions and thoughts of our own and that what 1 person believes isn't more important or more right than what someone else believes. Let's have respect for each other and we can agree to disagree! I'm sorry for the long post and if I don't make any sense at times or if I jump from one topic to the next I'm sorry. But, that's me! I tend to ramble and get off topic from time to time and then I wrap it all up in the end! ha,ha! Sorry about this and if I post another lengthy post just know that it will probably be the same unorganized thoughts just like this post! Well, there I go again...Ramble, Ramble, Ramble! Peace to everyone!cheesy

Jeff Westover

01-22-2009, 08:08 AM

MerryChristmasLydio was completely out of line with that. Disagreeing with anyone is fine but to personalize that rant towards another forum member is a clear violation of our rules. As a result, I've banned her.

This thread, as Head Elf points out, has been productive. I think it is important that we allow divergent views, just so long as we're respectful in doing it. Where that gets out of line, I will take swift and irreversible action.

Passions run high, and that's fine. Opinions are strong, and that's fine too.

But personal attacks are never appropriate. Courtney has been a vibrant addition to our group, a cheerful, contributing source on many levels and it is a crime to those of us who have enjoyed her presence to have her chased away through the mindless attack of a clearly immature and cruel individual.

This thread stays, Maureen. The premise was good, the responses have been good. And I find this kind of discussion very important even light of the fact that we have some individuals who can't handle it.

Jeff

CharlestonNole

01-22-2009, 08:33 AM

Courtney has been a vibrant addition to our group, a cheerful, contributing source on many levels......

I wholeheartedly agree!

I hope she will reconsider and return......

Jeff Westover

01-22-2009, 08:40 AM