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Old 07-18-2006, 11:12 AM
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Is it right to take religious connection out of Christmas?

I know during the 2005 Christmas Season that many businesses had stopped saying Merry Christmas or totally took the whole idea out of their biggest sale of the year. Where they say Happy Holidays.

Or many malls that stopped having Santa Clause.

Or that many businesses had sent memo's out encouraging their co-workers to say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas.

And for several years school districts call it winter break instead of Christmas break.

Or on at the White House the Christmas tree was called the Holiday Tree.

I just find this incrediable. They celebrate a christian holiday, yet take all the religious connotation out of it. Better yet the great profit they make off of a religious holiday. Or the time off that school districts get because of a religious holiday. What a oxymoron to say the least.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:08 PM
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Note: My comment here was in response to a post which has since been removed. Please don't think I have lost my mind. Again. If LP was talking about simply including "Happy Holidays" along with "Merry Christmas," etc., you'd be right, but he is talking about a concerted effort to remove Merry Christmas because of the reference to Jesus Christ. If we are really a tolerant nation, why not tolerate Christian greetings rather than legislate against them in favor of nice, but non-religious, ones?
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:50 PM
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I personally think the whole "Happy Holidays" thing was a bunch of media hogwash. Oh, sure. I work retail and my company talked about it too. You know what happened? The folks working for us got a little peeved and said Merry Christmas! more than they would have.

My experience out and about with it was that if you heard "Happy Holidays" that got people mad so they didn't say it.

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I always thought they said happy holidays because of not just Christmas but there's Hanukah and New Years so I just thought they said happy holidays cause it's easier than saying Merry Christmas Happy Hanukah and Happy New Year.
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Just like the profiteerers whose tables were overturned by Jesus, they'll get theirs.
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Well, dowload, you're right for the most part. There's a very popular Christmas song called Happy Holidays from waaaaay back when people did say it to capture the whole season, so there certainly is nothing wrong with saying it for that purpose. When you decide it is the only right way to express holiday greetings and any saying that reflects religious heritage is unacceptable, that's when it becomes ridiculous. Saying Jesus Christ is perfectly acceptable, but screaming it when you hit your thumb with a hammer is not. It just depends on what you mean. 8)
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It just depends on what you mean.
Ah, that's the rub.

I commissioned a reaserch firm to conduct a survey for a project we're working on and it asked this simple question:

Is Christmas sacred or secular?

The results were most interesting. While we say "Merry Christmas" and may mean it one way the chances of it being perceived another way are extremely high.

As a society, we define Christmas so differently that we're bound to have the kinds of conflicts we see publicized each holiday season.

It kind of reminds me of the scene in "My Cousin Vinny" when the defendant kept exclaiming "I shot the clerk?"

What we say and what they think we're saying are often two different things. Too bad that has to happen with Christmas.

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When I say Merry Christmas to someone I don't even take into account their belief system (Someone's gonna copy that and burn me for it!) because I'm just wishing them a happy holiday season. If I know the beliefs of someone and I know they wouldn't appreciate it, I adjust accordingly. My neighbors are Hindu. I'd use a more generic expression with them, but they are so kind and understanding, they wouldn't be offended anyway. I guess what I am saying is that I don't mind at all people using a non-religious expression of well-wishing. I just wish they wouldn't demand that I do the same. And now, like Clinton after the "Don't ask, don't tell" fiasco, I'm all out of ideas. 8)
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I find a real brotherhood with those not of my faith. Don't know why that is, and that is not to say I don't have friends who are of my faith. But ultimately I'm interested in religion and I want to understand why folks believe the way they do. I learn alot from them and about myself in the process. So I try very hard NOT to be offended when someone says something contrary to my own way of thinking. I don't know a lot of people like that but when I find them, I cherish them. And one of the reasons I do is because I can say "Merry Christmas" to them and they understand where I am coming from and why.

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Merry Christmas

I say Merry Christmas to people. If I know that the person is Jewish, I say Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah. I wish all people would just get along. It's the differences that make us all special. Saying Happy Holidays just takes what makes us all special and turns everyone into generic cookie cutter people. Isn't that what communism was all about - everyone the same?
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