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Old 11-23-2013, 07:38 AM
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My beef with Christmas on the radio

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing Christmas music on terrestrial radio starting a few days after Halloween, but the station here in Columbus that begins playing Christmas music early has an atrociously small playlist that I find myself getting annoyed with it. I think there are a few songs that get played every single hour.

A couple days ago, it was the end of the hour, and they played Burl Ives' "Holly Jolly Christmas". They did traffic and weather at the top of the hour, and the next song up in the queue… you guessed it…Burl Ives' "Holly Jolly Christmas". Now this is obviously a an error on somebody's part, but it's easily done considering what a small rotation of music these stations have.

When they play wall-to-wall Christmas music for nearly two months, can't these stations add a little more variety? Maybe some lesser-played artists or deeper cuts from the artists they do play?
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That's why we're trying to do what we're doing at Kringle Radio. Not the same 50 songs, like most "temporary" Christmas radio stations.
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That's why we're trying to do what we're doing at Kringle Radio. Not the same 50 songs, like most "temporary" Christmas radio stations.
Agreed. Kringle Radio is preferred over Wi-Fi. Terrestrial radio is just for the car and when I don't have my ipod handy.
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My bother works in radio, and I had a similar complaint about a local station. He said it all is market-driven. Research shows that certain songs are responded to well by listeners, and those songs are the ones played over and over again.

It's not surprising those of us that frequent a site like this would be put off by what many 'Christmas' radio stations platy this time of year. Because we have such an affection for Christmas, we no doubt have a Christmas music collection that is more diverse and larger than many people. As such, we know there is so much more out there, so much better, than much of the standard fare offered up by stations who go all Christmas in late-November, and stop the music instantly at midnight on December 25th. Those stations are geared towards the people who don't own any Christmas music, or own very few Holiday albums, Cd's, etc. And, as you'd expect, the market research shows hearing those certain songs puts many people in businesses version of the 'Christmas mood' (shopping mood).

99% of the stations that go All-Christmas for four or five weeks do so because it is a lure to advertisers: advertise with us, and we'll get potential shoppers in the mood to spend, spend, spend.

Yup, follow the money.

But that's why we're here. It goes deeper for us.
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My bother works in radio, and I had a similar complaint about a local station. He said it all is market-driven. Research shows that certain songs are responded to well by listeners, and those songs are the ones played over and over again.

It's not surprising those of us that frequent a site like this would be put off by what many 'Christmas' radio stations platy this time of year. Because we have such an affection for Christmas, we no doubt have a Christmas music collection that is more diverse and larger than many people. As such, we know there is so much more out there, so much better, than much of the standard fare offered up by stations who go all Christmas in late-November, and stop the music instantly at midnight on December 25th. Those stations are geared towards the people who don't own any Christmas music, or own very few Holiday albums, Cd's, etc. And, as you'd expect, the market research shows hearing those certain songs puts many people in businesses version of the 'Christmas mood' (shopping mood).

99% of the stations that go All-Christmas for four or five weeks do so because it is a lure to advertisers: advertise with us, and we'll get potential shoppers in the mood to spend, spend, spend.

Yup, follow the money.

But that's why we're here. It goes deeper for us.

I understand this idea for those stations that switch to a Christmas-only format a relatively short time before Christmas. But I have to think that someone listening when some stations switch almost immediately after Halloween (the station referenced in my original post switched over on the first Monday of November) would be more of a die hard fan of the holiday. People I know who aren't big fans of Christmas cringe at the thought of a station changing over before Thanksgiving.
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I guess I'm lucky. There are 3 stations by me now that play all Christmas right now, but all of them play a really good selection. My peeve is when one comes on that I don't like (like Santa Baby, ugh), so I push the button for another station, and the same darn song is playing! So far it hasn't happened on all 3 stations though, thank goodness!
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Following the money also includes who owns the publishing

Originally Posted by redkaga View Post
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing Christmas music on terrestrial radio starting a few days after Halloween, but the station here in Columbus that begins playing Christmas music early has an atrociously small playlist that I find myself getting annoyed with it. I think there are a few songs that get played every single hour.

A couple days ago, it was the end of the hour, and they played Burl Ives' "Holly Jolly Christmas". They did traffic and weather at the top of the hour, and the next song up in the queue… you guessed it…Burl Ives' "Holly Jolly Christmas". Now this is obviously a an error on somebody's part, but it's easily done considering what a small rotation of music these stations have.

When they play wall-to-wall Christmas music for nearly two months, can't these stations add a little more variety? Maybe some lesser-played artists or deeper cuts from the artists they do play?
I want to thank you for this keen post as the consumer, and for being a voice for those of us who write Christmas songs. The door to terrestrial radio has long been closed for independent artists, and I for one am very grateful for the support I've been given at Kringle Radio, Merry Christmas Radio and the Merry Podcast.

Following the advertising money is a good reason as to why the Christmas playlist is so small, but it also comes back to who owns the publishing rights. All terrestrial radio stations and TV stations pay a blanket fee to Performance Rights Organizations (PRO) such as ASCAP and BMI in the amount of about
2% of gross revenue. This pot of money then gets distributed to writers like myself as royalties. Clear Channel Communications is the behemoth in the room with a massive market share of radio stations nationally, and more often than not, they are strictly playing Christmas songs where they, or their subsidiaries, own the publishing rights. This has the effect of taking money out of one pocket and putting it in the other. It's a hard thing to do in any other genre except Christmas music, because they don't own the publishing rights for all the new, popular material.

I've been suspicious for a long time that the reason Christmas music in the US is dominated by songs written in the 1940's and 1950's, is not just because of nostalgia, but because it's incredibly profitable to be able to charge advertisers for airtime, and then have a greatly reduced expense for royalties when you are paying yourself.

Everyone's best solution for variety in Christmas music is to switch from terrestrial radio to internet radio such as Kringle Radio and Merry Christmas Radio. I'm working on a future post for the music section titled, "Are we in a Golden Era for Christmas Songs?" that will talk about this incredible phenomena of, "Christmas music - All the time!" on internet radio.

Thanks again for voicing your annoyance with the small Christmas song playlist at your local radio station in Columbus. I'm sure you'll find all the variety you could ever want at this site. If you haven't heard, The Merry Podcast #33 came out on Monday and it's awesome!

I highly recommend it!

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My problem with Christmas music on the radio is playing a beautiful song that has been modernized. This is why, I mostly listen to my cd's.
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I'm just tired of hearing every year Mariah Carey All I want for Christmas is You. They play it on the Christmas station and all of the other stations up here at least once an hour on every station. Makes me cringe. It's not a bad song just so overplayed.
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We have three stations in my area that are all Christmas, and more than once in the past all three stations had the same song on at the same time. Just annoying.
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