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Old 11-15-2007, 12:38 AM
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Yes there are too many Sheeple out there. I have always told people that they should never believe anything until they do some research for themselves.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:20 PM
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Well said Jeff. I just can't stand political correctness and that's the part of all of this that gets me. There was once a time in this country when we could just laugh at ourselves instead of getting offended at the drop of a hat.

Billy, I teach my kids to know what they believe and to be able to answer why they believe it. Not to say that I don't teach them from my lens of understanding, but I teach them why I believe something and that they should do the same. I was raised with certain beliefs and then one day woke up and realized I didn't stand for much of what I had blindly followed for most of my life.
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Billy, I teach my kids to know what they believe and to be able to answer why they believe it...... I teach them why I believe something and that they should do the same. I was raised with certain beliefs and then one day woke up and realized I didn't stand for much of what I had blindly followed for most of my life.

It is cool that you actually teach your children.
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I hear you guys. But I say let the kiddies decide what they want to believe and how they want to express their beliefs. If you're bequeathing your own beliefs onto them, you might end up brainwashing them (and I don't think that's what anyone wants, is to be brainwashed).
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I go by the Bible verse that says, "train up a child in the way he should go" It doesn't say the way I think he should go, but the way He should go. Again, that's not to say that I don't teach them basic things that I have found to be truth. I feel that they are gounded enough in truth to go look at other viewpoints and make decisions for themselves. It's a fine line indeed between brainwashing and teaching them what you have learned is right from wrong, but it's a parent's job to do that. It can be done also in a manner to where they understand why they believe what they do and aren't just parroting what I've taught them.
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I feel you have to teach your Children your beliefs. I also believe you should let them know your beliefs are not the only ones out there. Let them know why you believe what you do and if they choose to look for other ideas support them.

Like most people I was raised in a Christian household. We did not have any particular denomination that I now of. I however was raised going to Church on most Sundays.

Then in my early teens I quit believing I became an Atheist(at least I thought I was). Atheism never really fit me. I would go around telling people that anything is possible, than in the next sentence say there is no God. As I got older I realized I wasn't really an Atheist at all I was Agnostic.
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I believe as long as you bring your children up well, to respect others, be courteous and polite, there really isnt much else you can do as they are people themselves and they will grow up to be whatever it is they're meant to be. I dont think parents have power over the way their children turn out regarding beliefs etc. I am not a christian and I am not an atheist either, I will teach my daughter that there are many different views/opinions/faiths out there and hope she will find something that is comfortable to her. I am so against parents forcing their religious beliefs on children at such a young age. I want mine to have an open mind.
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An open mind is fine as is the independent choice of religious thought. I think as parents we're obligated to teach education first -- and let our children decide as they get older.

But at the same time we need not undermine our own religious beliefs at the expense of worrying about whether our children will or will not stray from them. I'm not apologizing to my kids for my convictions and they will be raised with them because that is what I feel is right. Religious beliefs go way beyond our own weak definitions of the nature of God. Religious beliefs teach consequences for actions and forethought in making choices.

Any parent who teaches their kids "XXX is the only way to heaven and if you don't believe it you'll go to hell" is doing them a disservice. As parents we teach them instead that love rules above all and that the "only way to heaven is XXX and this is how you get to know that..."

In other words, don't teach them what they need to know. Teach them how to find what they need to know.
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