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I have also heard that saying. I think it was Socrates who said I know I am smart because I know I Know nothing.


Just remember that Truth is not measured in mass appeal.
If it is indeed Socrates you are quoting, then you mangled it a bit. The quote is "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." Throwing quotes around proves nothing and only illustrates one's lack of independent thought.

Truth is oddly subjective and definitely can be changed by masses. You like your quotes... ever heard that history is written by the winners?
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If it is indeed Socrates you are quoting, then you mangled it a bit. The quote is "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." Throwing quotes around proves nothing and only illustrates one's lack of independent thought.

Truth is oddly subjective and definitely can be changed by masses. You like your quotes... ever heard that history is written by the winners?

I actually did get the quote wrong. it is supposed to be "I know I am Intelligent because I know I know nothing" ~ Socrates

History is written by the winners, also the root of the word history is His Story.

There are some quotes I like so I use them every once in a while to think that I lack independent thought because I use some quotes is absurd.

You can not change the truth you can hide or conceal it however it is still the Truth.
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WOW!! Is it just me or has this whole conversation kind of took a wrong turn?

I mean, really...do we really think we are going to change each other's minds, beliefs, etc.TODAY if it's something we've believed our whole lives?

I know a healthy debate can be good, but in the spirit of Christmas...enough already!!
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I kinda look at it this way...

If I (we) are wrong, we have nothing to lose. But if you (they) are wrong you have everything to lose.

I can't be wrong because I am admitting that I don't know. Whole point was there is no Historical proof that Jesus Christ ever existed. I however am not an Atheist, I am not saying that any religion is wrong. I myself do not know.
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AHHH, Santas not real!?!?!

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Trying to lighten the mood, is it working?
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Originally Posted by Billy Battles View Post
I actually did get the quote wrong. it is supposed to be "I know I am Intelligent because I know I know nothing" ~ Socrates

History is written by the winners, also the root of the word history is His Story.

There are some quotes I like so I use them every once in a while to think that I lack independent thought because I use some quotes is absurd.

You can not change the truth you can hide or conceal it however it is still the Truth.
You're sort of paraphrasing again, but yes, if you want to trace the etymology of the word history, among it's origins will be the Classical Latin word historia, which means a narrative.

Anyway, the point I was making is that truth is not an absolute. Perspective is a powerful thing.
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I've never seen one of these "religious" discussions end happily on the internet...Perhaps if we all agree to disagree, and respect the beliefs of each other, we can not have this one end badly!
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I've never seen one of these "religious" discussions end happily on the internet...Perhaps if we all agree to disagree, and respect the beliefs of each other, we can not have this one end badly!

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No need to worry, Jay. We've got a good bunch here. There have been similar discussions here before and not one of them ever crossed the line.

I think we all know it's just a friendly discussion, right?
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