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Old 11-14-2007, 10:29 AM
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Nothing you ever see in a store is going to change the way you celebrate Christmas. And I think that's hardly the point.

But at what point to you accept change in society before you do something about it? To me we're really saying the same thing.

You question: why support an organization that exploits children in the production of their merchandise or whose methods destroy the world's natural resources?

And I'm saying I agree with that sentiment. Why support them indeed? They obviously promote something you are against. You have a standard. You have a limit. And your limits prohibit you from supporting an organization who is progressively sustaining a standard you cannot abide by.

The same thing goes for me. Why support an organization promoting multi-culturalism (which is really just another form of discrimination) when it is ultimately bad for our society?

A Christmas tree is a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree. If we get away from saying it that doesn't mean that's not what it is. But the longer they persist in redefining what things are the better the chance will be down the road that a Christmas tree will in fact cease to be a Christmas tree. It will be a "holiday" tree or a "family" tree or a "celebration" tree. And eventually, we won't even have a day to call "Christmas". It'll be something equally PC, watered-down and pointless.

That is the aim of those promoting the lack of using the word "Christmas". To them, to say "Christmas" is to say "religion". And to say "religion" is to say something offensive.

I work retail. I play the marketing games. I know the power of words when it comes to turning the sale. But this to me is clearly an agenda-driven intiative because there are people out there more than willing to say "It's ok, it won't affect my Christmas".

At what point do you stand up and say "I have standards!"?

For you, exploitation seems to be a sticking point. Environmental concerns are another. And I applaud you for that.

For me, a clear attempt to offend me just to win favor with another mind set to turn a buck is a sticking point. It is discrimination in my book.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:39 AM
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Family trees, huh? Is that kind of like Orange trees? Apple trees? What exactly is a Family tree? Does it grow families????
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My family tree shows me and Sandy with seven "branches" -- and someday they will have branches. We are branches of our parents, etc.

That's a family tree. I've seen nothing like that at Lowes.
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I guess we just see the topic in a different light and I understand the point you are making. You take the topic of removing Christ from christmas to be very offensive and because of that I can respect that.

However i see this discussing getting to political (which is my fault) and I don't want the discussion to get ugly or anything.
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Originally Posted by lana View Post
I guess we just see the topic in a different light and I understand the point you are making. You take the topic of removing Christ from christmas to be very offensive and because of that I can respect that.

However i see this discussing getting to political (which is my fault) and I don't want the discussion to get ugly or anything.
No, no, no...it's not about Christ in Christmas. It's just about the word Christmas.

And this thread was political to begin with. No worries about that. That's what this topic area is mostly about, frankly.

I really bemoan the fact that some feel compelled to remove Christmas from our vocabulary. It has been a part of our society in the US for more than 140 years.

Why strip that way? Who, after all, is really complaining?
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I think all of you are making some good points. The bottom line for me is that you do have a choice as to where you shop, and that can be based on whatever you choose...exploitation, offense, etc. I imagine the average person looking for a tree walks into a store, looks at the trees, and buys one without looking at what the store calls them.

Personally, I find it ridiculous that any store would sell Christmas items and call them "holiday" items. Who is going to buy a Christmas tree if it's not for Christmas?

Many, many non-Christians celebrate Christmas here and around the world, but they still call it Christmas! I can't imagine anyone other than these big box retailers calling their Christmas products, holiday products, and I bet the vast majority of the people who purchase their "holiday trees" still call them Christmas trees.

I also agree with Jeff about purchasing Christmas items from hardware stores and other big box stores like Walmart. It's one thing if you live in an area where there are no other options, but I'd much rather support a local business that specializes in Christmas than a huge retailer that occasionally brings in sub-standard products.

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Originally Posted by SQNOLA View Post
Personally, I find it ridiculous that any store would sell Christmas items and call them "holiday" items. Who is going to buy a Christmas tree if it's not for Christmas?

Many, many non-Christians celebrate Christmas here and around the world, but they still call it Christmas! I can't imagine anyone other than these big box retailers calling their Christmas products, holiday products, and I bet the vast majority of the people who purchase their "holiday trees" still call them Christmas trees.

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I can bet you with near 100% certainty that when these retailers evaluate their sales they call it "Christmas". No two ways about it.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Westover View Post
No, no, no...it's not about Christ in Christmas. It's just about the word Christmas.
I thought that you were saying that

quote :"That is the aim of those promoting the lack of using the word "Christmas". To them, to say "Christmas" is to say "religion". And to say "religion" is to say something offensive. "

that is what I mean when I say taking the Christ out of Christmas, removing the religion.

Why strip that way? Who, after all, is really complaining?
while I agree that this is also silly for someone to complain about, I guess it a human right to "complain".
i don't know if that is agood thing or bad thing
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i guess the real problem lies in the fact that there is marketing of Christmas
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I just don't believe people are walking into Lowes (or anywhere else) and saying "Stop! I've had enough Christmas!"

I think by deliberately avoiding the word "Christmas" they are trying to promote a political agenda -- which, in my opinion, has no place in the market, the public schools, the Boy Scouts or on Teletubbies.
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