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Discussion in 'Christmas Controversy & Opinion' started by Billy Battles, Aug 15, 2013.

  1. Billy Battles

    Billy Battles Santa's Doppelganger MMC Lifer MMC Donor

    This doesn't really have anything to do with Christmas. I know there are some people on here that are very knowledgeable about the Bible. I have recently been reading about the early Christians beliefs on Sophia. I kind of blew my mind and makes sense if you look at the Bible from the old to the new Testament.

    If anyone has any thoughts or info I would love to hear them. The last couple days I have been researching this. I am so blown away. It helps explain a lot of things I had a problem with in the Bible, however it flys in the face of "traditional" Christianity.
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  2. Joyfully yours

    Joyfully yours MMC Emeritus Member MMC Emeritus Member

    Yes it can be a bit overwhelming. I need to read Sophias post, I'm new here since yesterday, so can you inform me where I can read the posting that you read and "blew your mind"? Have a great weekend. Talk soon I hope?
  3. Billy Battles

    Billy Battles Santa's Doppelganger MMC Lifer MMC Donor

    According to one Gnostic myth the shaping of the material world was the result of Sophia, who was often decribed as an emanation of eternal light, an "immaculate mirror of God's activity," and as "the spouse of the Lord." Through her desire to "know the Father", she was cast out of the Pleroma (the gnostic heaven) and her desire gave birth to the God who created the material world. Although she was eventually restored to the Pleroma, bits of her divinity remain in the material world.

    The inferior God created by Sophia's desire, also referred to as the Demiurge, is the Creator God of the Old Testament. Due to his inferiority, he is not seen as good but rather an evil, angry, violent God. It is the fault of this God that the world is in the mess that it is, and due to the fact that he created it, the world is evil.

    The higher transcendent God is not a creator of the material world, and instead is a nurturer of the spiritual. The only hope for humankind, while locked in this evil shell of a body is to spiritually transcend this world and deny the body. Gnostics believed that in order to acquire salvation one must possess a certain knowledge, or gnosis, which must be delivered to a person by a messenger of light. However, to receive this knowledge, one must be trying to reach beyond the evil, dark, material, physical earth and body toward that of the good, light, immaterial, and spiritual worlds. The indwelling spark must be awakened from its terrestrial slumber by the saving knowledge that comes "from without."

    Jesus is one of the most fundamental "awakeners" of this knowledge. Therefore, although Gnostics, like other Christians, find salvation through the messages of Jesus, Gnostics seek salvation not from sin but from "the ignorance of which sin is a consequence." The gnostics believe that the evil creator God and his angels cause this ignorance. If one receives gnosis during this lifetime- a true realization of the spirit-body dichotomy and the true destiny of the soul, then at death, when the body releases the divine spark, the soul may be free of the evil world. On the other hand, if this realization is not reached, then the ignorant soul, when released from the body will be sent back by the Demiurge into the evil painful world.
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