A Cautionary Tale

Jeff Westover

Chief Elf Officer
MMC Founder
Santa's Elf
Kringle Radio DJ
Oct 7, 2004
16,732
16,475
1,222,381
Cache Valley, Utah
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This is not the kind of thing I like to use these forums for. However, given events over the past 36 hours or so, I feel I must share this. I hope you understand that this is being written as a husband and father first.

Yesterday evening I got a call from my wife who was in the car in a parking lot of a Walgreen's in Modesto, California. She had just witnessed something she had never seen in her life. Immediately after getting off the phone with her this is what I posted on my personal Facebook account:

Sorry...can't keep this in. Just got a call from my wife, who is in California. She was in the local Walgreens when three persons dressed head to toe in black -- wearing hoodies and masks -- ARMED -- just came in with big black bags and started clearing stuff on the shelves. Then they left. Evidently this happens there all the time -- daily, according to the store. Sandy tells me the clerk there was so apologetic. Sandy told her "you don't need to apologize. You had nothing to do with it", speaking just as a human being with plenty of retail experience from years ago in that same neighborhood. The cashier is African American -- and felt guilty (!). The store said the cops won't do anything about it unless the damages are beyond $1000. Can you believe that?

Yeah, these masks are about a "virus".....

That is ANTIFA, folks. It's coming here. It's coming EVERYWHERE. This happened literally minutes ago. I JUST got off the phone with her.

Do your own research, folks. I mean...dig deep about this Antifa. They are NOT about "black lives matter". They are HURTING the black community.

BLM (capital letters) is ANTIFA. Marxists. Completely militant and past feeling. They will stop at nothing.

Support "black lives matters" not BLM. Supporting BLM is supporting this kind of crap. People are NOT going to stand for this. More violence and death is coming because of BLM/ANTIFA.

If you put YOUR good name in association with BLM you are putting YOUR life and the life of your family in danger.

Research - Research - Research

(And get a gun while you can).


Within a few hours of posting that I started to get death threats.

Now, when I say that, please understand that I don't get death threats every day but it happens online. A handful of times over the years I've had to deal with that and I've never taken it seriously.

However, this time, it's a little different.

Today, after I published the latest episode of the Merry Little Podcast, I received an email from a "fact-check" organization taking issue with things I've published here at MyMerryChristmas.

Not long after that happened, our site here was bombed with critical comments on dozens of articles, as well as spammed with thousands of comments containing links to porn and other terrible things. None of these saw the eyes of the public because we moderate everything.

I've expected plenty of bogus signups on the Merry Forums as well but that hasn't happened either because so far they've only used bots -- and they can't get past the safeguards we have in place and have only recently upgraded.

Why am I telling you this?

I have seen a lot of crazy things over the years but something about this is different this time. It's August, for one.

But dogging me over Abraham Lincoln and his belief in God? Having a fact-checking organization up our skirts for things we've published over a course of 29-years? C'mon.

I don't need social media, frankly. For months I've considered just getting out of it altogether on my personal accounts. The events since last evening have just cemented a decision I already made. By this weekend, I will have my personal social media wiped.

On advice of our attorney, I am not yet disconnecting MMC and associated sites from social media. She smells a rat and wants time to see what happens. But disconnecting all of our sites from social media too remains on the table.

I will just go on the record here to state that I will stop at nothing to keep pursuing the course we have trod here for nearly 3 decades.

While most social media is a sewer I am profoundly grateful for the kindness and clear acceptance of this community. We have many kinds of folks here from diverse backgrounds and it all works under the banner of Christmas.

I am committed to keeping it that way.

I am well aware of the sensitive areas we get into at times. That is an inherent part of anything, but especially I think in the sometimes contrasting worlds of the sacred and secular Christmas it can get touchy.

While I have at times endured some backlash and even occasional threats about the parts of the sacred Christmas that I write or podcast about such harshness has NEVER come from these forums or those I consider part of the Christmas community online.

They have always come from anonymous, cowardly individuals who hide behind the anonymity of the Internet. That's why I've never taken it too seriously.

But this time it is different. This time it didn't start with Christmas -- it started with my personal social media and came here. They sought me out and the things I do by trolling my profiles. It naturally led them here and they attacked.

I know what I'm getting right now about the new episode of the podcast isn't even about the new episode of the podcast and what I said in it.

It's because I dared to use the word "Antifa" in a social media post.

And as for the fact checker thing -- well, I can't take it serious. After nearly 30 years of researching and writing about Christmas I'll claim to be an expert. I'm not infallible, but I'll hold my research up to anyone.

If I'm wrong, ok, I'm wrong. Nobody has died or even gets hurt by the stuff we publish. We have almost 30 years of safe-and-sane under our belts, ok?

I don't have an agenda. Our mission is to simply wish the world a Merry Christmas.

So, get over yourselves, fact-checkers. We will not be silenced or bullied, so do whatever you want to try to discredit me or this site. We will continue as we have continued for decades. .

For now, I just want you to know this. I know you care.

If you see something that gets past us in regards to bad stuff on the forums or in comment areas, please let one of the Christmas Crew know. I know I don't even need to ask that.

On a final note, I would just tell you that if this kind of stuff can happen to me it can happen to anyone. They have not only gone after me personally and this and other sites we operate. They have also drilled down to the profiles of my wife and children. That's a deal breaker to me.

Please take care and be heads up. If you're being harassed online about something you believe in I hope you know where you can find safety and peace.

I know where I do and I thank you for it.
 

JayIsh

MMC Musicmaster, MerryChristmasRadio
MMC Lifer
Christmas.com Alum
MMC Donor
Christmas Crew
Santa's Elf
Kringle Radio DJ
Aug 20, 2006
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I'm astounded, disgusted and terrified by this...Are there authorities that you can report this to or would this be such a common occurrence in the internet world that they would not investigate?
 

Jeff Westover

Chief Elf Officer
MMC Founder
Santa's Elf
Kringle Radio DJ
Oct 7, 2004
16,732
16,475
1,222,381
Cache Valley, Utah
jeffwestover.com
I'm astounded, disgusted and terrified by this...Are there authorities that you can report this to or would this be such a common occurrence in the internet world that they would not investigate?

This is what attorneys are for.
 

tbutler

Tim Butler, North Pole IT Consultant
MMC Member
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Sep 1, 2010
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This is not the kind of thing I like to use these forums for. However, given events over the past 36 hours or so, I feel I must share this. I hope you understand that this is being written as a husband and father first.

Yesterday evening I got a call from my wife who was in the car in a parking lot of a Walgreen's in Modesto, California. She had just witnessed something she had never seen in her life. Immediately after getting off the phone with her this is what I posted on my personal Facebook account:

Sorry...can't keep this in. Just got a call from my wife, who is in California. She was in the local Walgreens when three persons dressed head to toe in black -- wearing hoodies and masks -- ARMED -- just came in with big black bags and started clearing stuff on the shelves. Then they left. Evidently this happens there all the time -- daily, according to the store. Sandy tells me the clerk there was so apologetic. Sandy told her "you don't need to apologize. You had nothing to do with it", speaking just as a human being with plenty of retail experience from years ago in that same neighborhood. The cashier is African American -- and felt guilty (!). The store said the cops won't do anything about it unless the damages are beyond $1000. Can you believe that?

Yeah, these masks are about a "virus".....

That is ANTIFA, folks. It's coming here. It's coming EVERYWHERE. This happened literally minutes ago. I JUST got off the phone with her.

Do your own research, folks. I mean...dig deep about this Antifa. They are NOT about "black lives matter". They are HURTING the black community.

BLM (capital letters) is ANTIFA. Marxists. Completely militant and past feeling. They will stop at nothing.

Support "black lives matters" not BLM. Supporting BLM is supporting this kind of crap. People are NOT going to stand for this. More violence and death is coming because of BLM/ANTIFA.

If you put YOUR good name in association with BLM you are putting YOUR life and the life of your family in danger.

Research - Research - Research

(And get a gun while you can).


Within a few hours of posting that I started to get death threats.

Now, when I say that, please understand that I don't get death threats every day but it happens online. A handful of times over the years I've had to deal with that and I've never taken it seriously.

However, this time, it's a little different.

Today, after I published the latest episode of the Merry Little Podcast, I received an email from a "fact-check" organization taking issue with things I've published here at MyMerryChristmas.

Not long after that happened, our site here was bombed with critical comments on dozens of articles, as well as spammed with thousands of comments containing links to porn and other terrible things. None of these saw the eyes of the public because we moderate everything.

I've expected plenty of bogus signups on the Merry Forums as well but that hasn't happened either because so far they've only used bots -- and they can't get past the safeguards we have in place and have only recently upgraded.

Why am I telling you this?

I have seen a lot of crazy things over the years but something about this is different this time. It's August, for one.

But dogging me over Abraham Lincoln and his belief in God? Having a fact-checking organization up our skirts for things we've published over a course of 29-years? C'mon.

I don't need social media, frankly. For months I've considered just getting out of it altogether on my personal accounts. The events since last evening have just cemented a decision I already made. By this weekend, I will have my personal social media wiped.

On advice of our attorney, I am not yet disconnecting MMC and associated sites from social media. She smells a rat and wants time to see what happens. But disconnecting all of our sites from social media too remains on the table.

I will just go on the record here to state that I will stop at nothing to keep pursuing the course we have trod here for nearly 3 decades.

While most social media is a sewer I am profoundly grateful for the kindness and clear acceptance of this community. We have many kinds of folks here from diverse backgrounds and it all works under the banner of Christmas.

I am committed to keeping it that way.

I am well aware of the sensitive areas we get into at times. That is an inherent part of anything, but especially I think in the sometimes contrasting worlds of the sacred and secular Christmas it can get touchy.

While I have at times endured some backlash and even occasional threats about the parts of the sacred Christmas that I write or podcast about such harshness has NEVER come from these forums or those I consider part of the Christmas community online.

They have always come from anonymous, cowardly individuals who hide behind the anonymity of the Internet. That's why I've never taken it too seriously.

But this time it is different. This time it didn't start with Christmas -- it started with my personal social media and came here. They sought me out and the things I do by trolling my profiles. It naturally led them here and they attacked.

I know what I'm getting right now about the new episode of the podcast isn't even about the new episode of the podcast and what I said in it.

It's because I dared to use the word "Antifa" in a social media post.

And as for the fact checker thing -- well, I can't take it serious. After nearly 30 years of researching and writing about Christmas I'll claim to be an expert. I'm not infallible, but I'll hold my research up to anyone.

If I'm wrong, ok, I'm wrong. Nobody has died or even gets hurt by the stuff we publish. We have almost 30 years of safe-and-sane under our belts, ok?

I don't have an agenda. Our mission is to simply wish the world a Merry Christmas.

So, get over yourselves, fact-checkers. We will not be silenced or bullied, so do whatever you want to try to discredit me or this site. We will continue as we have continued for decades. .

For now, I just want you to know this. I know you care.

If you see something that gets past us in regards to bad stuff on the forums or in comment areas, please let one of the Christmas Crew know. I know I don't even need to ask that.

On a final note, I would just tell you that if this kind of stuff can happen to me it can happen to anyone. They have not only gone after me personally and this and other sites we operate. They have also drilled down to the profiles of my wife and children. That's a deal breaker to me.

Please take care and be heads up. If you're being harassed online about something you believe in I hope you know where you can find safety and peace.

I know where I do and I thank you for it.
So outrageous. So uncalled for. So disgusting. People online have been calling Antifa a terrorist organization. Right now, that seems exactly right.
 

Jeff Westover

Chief Elf Officer
MMC Founder
Santa's Elf
Kringle Radio DJ
Oct 7, 2004
16,732
16,475
1,222,381
Cache Valley, Utah
jeffwestover.com
So outrageous. So uncalled for. So disgusting. People online have been calling Antifa a terrorist organization. Right now, that seems exactly right.

Yeah. These are some weird times. I know in the course of our lives we're supposed to go through trials and times of...stuff. But who could have foreseen 2020?
 
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LadyLynn

The Christmas Freak
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I am so sorry you are having to go through this. There is so much negative on the Internet and to have a positive safe place attacked just adds insult to the injury of your being personally attacked.
 

Christmasstar

one Crazy Canadian !
MMC Lifer
Nov 8, 2007
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Ontario, Canada eh!
very sad and also scary, Glad to hear you have an attorney to deal with it. As if this year was not carzy enough !
((((HUGS))))) and prayers going up for you and your family.
 

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